Is it any wonder why I want to leave Cowtown? The election results came in last night and Columbus voters defeated Issue No. 2, which would've struck a compromise in the city-wide smoking ban by providing an exemption for bars that get 65% of their revenues from alcohol. Just some points that are rarely brought up in this debate:
-The whole issue is framed as a public health one. It's not. It's a private property rights issue. The public health issue flies out of the door when you realize that the anti-tobacco crowd rely on fudged, sometimes outright deceitful, data. I can accept a smoking ban in public places. But why should the government be granted even more intrusion into the rights of private citizens?
-Every day the notion of assumption of the risk is eroding in this country. Only an idiot wouldn't know that smoking unhealthy. When you go to a bar, you expect to be exposed to second-hand smoke. If you don't like it, you can choose to stay home or go elsewhere.
-If there's enough of a demand, the free market will create smoke-free options. Just look at Applebee's and their decision to go smoke-free. This decision wasn't based on a governmental mandate, but from a business standpoint.
-Take a look at the most vocal anti-smokers: do these busybodies seem like the people that would frequent a bar? No. It is the perpetuation of the Nanny State - "I know what's best for you."
-For those with rallying cry "Think about our children!" I say: CHILDREN DON'T GO TO BARS.
-Smokers actually derive enjoyment from smoking. Some even make a trade-off: pleasure for health. This is a hard concept for the anti-tobacco crowd to grasp.
-People don't go to bars to be healthy. Alcohol's not good for you either. They tried prohibition for that and you know the outcome.
I thought that Issue No. 2 would be a fair compromise, even though I am completely against trampling on the rights of private property owners. After all, bar revenues in Columbus are down 35% since the smoking ban took effect. But it was voted down. I sure hope that all those in favor of the ban go out to bars a lot more often, if not to sustain business, then to save jobs.
Columbus City Council President Matt Habash was quoted in today's Columbus Dispatch as saying, "We're going after the statewide next." *shudder* Anti-smoking zealots, neo-prohibitionists, busybodies, and other members of the Fun Police...assemble!
And am I the only one annoyed by the self-righteous little shits in The Truth commercials?
Full disclosure: I am not a smoker, except for the periodic fine cigar. And occasionally I'll bum a cigarette from a friend at a bar to jokingly "look cool." But I don't inhale. :)
21 comments:
This was truly an upset victory for the anti-smokers. The Issue 2 people were talking like they were going to win as late as yesterday afternoon.
Yeah, that surprise me, too. Guess the anti-smoking folks were able to spurn their Nervous Nellies to vote.
I'm here via panthergirl but I think I've been here before. just wanted to say that my hubby (a former smoker) gets highly annoyed at those the truth commercials too. so you're not alone there!
ps - he's also annoyed by the whole smoking ban thing.
Thanks for stopping by, michelle. I like your husband already!
I'm what people call a "social smoker" (you know, one of those annoying people who rarely buys her own cigarettes but bums them off of unsuspecting strangers at bars). The whole anti-smoking thing gets on my nerves. I know it's bad for me. So is my excessive drinking. Kindly f* off.
I think smoking bans are okay in places where the weather is nice (e.g., my future home, LA), because going outside to smoke isn't as horribly inconvenient (as long as the drink nazis don't make you leave your drinnk inside. I HATE that). But anywhere in the midwest? Come on, haven't you heard of winter? That's like cruel and unusual punishment.
law fairy - You smoke, yet you realize it's bad for you? And you're not hooked on nicotine? Clutch the pearls! HOW CAN THIS BE?!
You're not kidding about having to step outside in the freezing cold. And it's not just winter in the Midwest. Hell, it freakin' snowed last week and we tied a record low of 31 degrees yesterday. At least the empty bar stools won't get cancer.
Sounds like more reason to return to the land of cheap cigarettes.
I love the Truth commercials. I hate smoking and smokers. I'm not sure how I feel about no-smoking laws for private establishments, and would probably be happy if there were enough smoke-free bars for people to socialize at, and so that bartenders wouldn't have to get sick.
It's not a matter of babysitting, Micah. We ALL pay for smoking-related illness and death. We pay in the high cost of health insurance, and we pay when our children lose a parent.
It's like the seatbelt law. If you are injured or killed in a car accident because you're not wearing a seatbelt, you are not the only victim.
panthergirl - I'll have to respectfully disagree with you. Personally, I don't like cigarette smoke, either, but who am I mandate my wishes on others? What about the person drinking? Or eating too much? Or having sex? Or skydiving? Or using a chainsaw? Everything can kill you and these people choose to engage in this behavior. Like I said, I have no problem with smoking bans in public property. But bars are not public areas. The property owner should be able to dictate whatever policies he wants on his property.
As for the bartender, that's his choice to work in that environment. If he feels it is unsafe, he can find work elsewhere. He assumes the risk.
Regarding smoking costing society, smokers actually pay above and beyond what they take. Allow myself to quote...myself. This is from a law school paper about the anti-smoking zealots:
"The Justice Department claims that it costs the federal government more than $20 billion per year to treat smoking related diseases. In its 1993 report, the Office of Technology Assessment (OTA) of the U.S. Congress estimated that the social cost of smoking were $68 billion, or $2.59 per pack. Most of the costs included in the OTA’s report are those assumed by the smoker, such as lost earnings caused by illness and a shorter life span, though. One report has the state governments of Alabama, Florida, Maryland, Mississippi, New York, and Virginia spending 1.7 to 6.8 cents per pack on medical care.
These estimates may seem to justify the federal and state government’s a efforts to deter smoking, but the truth is that what smokers pay in taxes more than make up for an medical costs associated with smoking. At the time of the study of the state governments, Mississippi had a tax of eighteen cents per pack, which was more than ten times the state’s cost of smoking-related medical care. New York’s fifty-six cents per pack tax was more than eight times its medical care costs. Even Virginia, which had the lowest cigarette taxes in the nation at 2.5 cents per pack, still managed to take more in excise taxes than what it spent on medical care.
The reality is that smokers die earlier than non-smokers, which create savings for taxpayers. Smokers pay an average of fifty-three cents per pack of cigarettes. By spending less time in nursing homes and collecting a lesser amount of their retirement pensions, smokers save taxpayers the equivalent of twenty cents per pack in nursing home care and $1 per pack in lower pension and Social Security costs. A New England Journal of Medicine article estimated that if every smoker were to quit immediately, medical costs would drop in the short term, but then rise even higher in twenty to thirty years because of their increased life span. Based on the thirty billion packs of cigarettes sold in the U.S. each year, smokers pay $15.9 billion more than necessary in costs imposed on others. Essentially, smokers are paying taxpayers for the right to smoke in addition to creating savings for them by dying earlier."
(If you want, I can e-mail you the whole paper)
As for The Truth kids, when did members of the Fun Police become so young?
Word, babe. Glad to have you back in the Colonies.
Welcome back. Which weird potato chips did you try?
Damn. I should've had you bring me back a case of ketchup or cheddar & onion crisps. And some Tizer. (Wonder if that make a diet version)
I bought a six-pack of Sainsbury's Sausage and Tomato chips for 89p. That's like $10 in real money.
The smoking ban isn't so ban. You get used to it. Plus, you save a lot of money on dry cleaning.
English wine? Is it "savoury" like everything else there? I guess you couldn't try the sausage and onion on ciabatta sandwich at Albert's. Best English food I've ever had.
KPMD, this topic is very close to my heart, because my ex-husband, my son's dad, died of lung cancer when my son was 8. While he may have chosen between smoking and having children, my son had no choice in the matter.
Call me biased, but I am living with the effects of smoking every day, on those left behind.
Again, I am not saying that I'm sure smoking should be "banned" in public establishments, just expressing my passionate disdain for the tobacco industry and smoking in general.
downtown lad - Believe me, I hate coming home from a bar, reeking of smoke. But it's not about what I prefer.
panthergirl - I'm truly sorry for your loss and I'm sure it must be hard for you and your son. But most times emotions tend to cloud reason. Not just in the "smoking ban" thing, but in pretty much every issue.
Micah, as I posted on my blog...I know that it's hard for me to be objective. No question. And of course, no hard feelings. xoxox
First off, The Truth campaign is funded for the most part by the tobacco companies as part of their settlements when idiots sued them and other idiots awarded. Second, I'm inhaling deeply on a Winston right now, loving every minute of it. Something has to kill you and I personally abhor fast food. As for statistics on secondhand smoke, Twain says that there are "lies, damned lied and statistics". They've been force feeding us skewed statistics on divorce rates being 50% for years (in actuality it is lower as not one survey so far can possibly take into account all existing marraiges so they base it on weddings in a year and divorces for that same year). My grandfather, greatgrandfather and uncle died from Heart disease, Diabetes and a car accident respectively. I chose to drive and smoke, but avoid sugar (I am also diabetic) and a crappy diet. we chose our deaths, but only to some extent. When that ticket gets pulled, you're out. Carbon is hungry for carbon and we're all gonna go. All respect to everyone involved, but fuck all this legislation. Shouldn't the proprioters be able to decide and in turn patrons where they invest? Isn't that less government and free choice stuff part of the idea of having a republic?
It's counterintuitive isn't it? People who drink often also smoke. To have a bar with no smoke is close to a bar with no beer. But the ban has been working in Ontario for business. Sales and business are actually up since the majority of people don't smoke or are smoke aversive.
Thanks for your input, everybody. It's great to see some many different perspectives, even though I KNOW that I'm right. :)
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